Curse

Sekkira · Aug 21, 2006, 08:00 AM // 08:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mera Regila

But if they charge 10k per ferry, it's a totally unfair way of making money, they abuse their power like that, they will be overthrown. No question about it. [/post]

Not really. Owning a town requires the alliance to farm the crap out of things and pump faction into it. It's not a matter of voting in who should own the alliance. Just because they're mean doesn't mean shit. They have the right to do whatever the hell they want with access, whether to charge 100k +973984798574 ecto for ferries or do it for free. It's entirely up to them. You don't like it? Get an alliance together and get everyone to outfarm them in faction.

Winx.ZN · Aug 21, 2006, 08:04 AM // 08:04

Friends Title :
250,000 donated faction.
250 Jade
250x500=125,000 gold (those which are allowed to ferry have at least given away that much)

Current "cost" of cavalon.
30,767,233
10% Degen per day.

3,076,723.
3,076x500=1,538,000 gold per day.

That is the cost to hold cavalon per day for the Godz alliance.
That they even ferry you there should be good enough for you.
The fact its called a "tip" and not a "fee" should make you grateful.
Only allowing members of the Godz alliance with a vested interest of time and indirect minimum monetary donation of 125,000 gold to ferry seems not only fair, but right.
Just thought I would throw that out there.
Leechers suck.

Superdarth · Aug 21, 2006, 08:08 AM // 08:08

Its not ment to be free,stop taking everything for granted like spoiled brats!

coolsti · Aug 21, 2006, 08:29 AM // 08:29

To the O.P.: If you have been to the Deep once with your character, maybe with a taxi earlier, then there is no reason to complain about lack of taxi's for whatever reason. You visit the Deep again by being transported from your Guild Hall (or another friendly person's Guild Hall via a Guild Hall invite) using the party teleportation trick. You just have to prepare. You or one of your friends needs to have one character sitting in the Deep all the time to use as your ferry. If you didn't do this or do not have another character so far in the game to spare and leave in the Deep (and another for Urgoz), well, then you are just out of luck.

Hippie Bane · Aug 21, 2006, 08:31 AM // 08:31

As yet another former member of the alliance that first opened Cavalon to the public, I would like to point out a couple things. First, using the "favor system" to defend the way people gain access to the elite mission is flawed logic at best, since PVP governs access to a PVE area. It is the same premise as allowing the region who has killed Glint the greatest number of times to go to Halls. Pretty ridiculous and arbitrary condition, right? Now, think about the huge amounts of faction needed to control a city. Do these people have time to make a 3+ hour Deep run? They have to grind out over 3 million faction a day, so I doubt they can make too many trips to the area they control. Therefore, the game's "elite" alliance, the one in control of the city, is the collection of players most adept at alliance battles and doing the Breaker run(oh my, how I hate the Breaker run

). Not the most overwhelming uber-leet set of credentials.

Second, major alliances have a tendency to fall apart, as was stated above. Greater alliances than Godz have splintered for far less than a dispute of who is allowed to ferry. When we were ferrying, we made it a point to refuse tips. If people must tip, keep a few spots in the roster open, add them so they can donate faction, and then they leave. It worked well. Best of all, nobody squabbled over who gets to ferry and may be tipped. I ferried a lot of people to the deep and never received a thing. I refused a lot of people. What did I receive in return? Admiration and thanks. People trusted us to not be idiots, after all, we were doing something noble for the greater good. People were talking about how great and selfless we all were. This is far better than gold or crafting materials or whatever else people tip in. If you want to be richer and soon forgotten, hint around for tips. If you want to be loved, refuse them.

sir lockt · Aug 21, 2006, 09:04 AM // 09:04

I dont want to screw the topic... but cant you just find a Kurzick taxi?

(just a crazy idea...)

swiftygem · Aug 21, 2006, 09:45 AM // 09:45

I honestly don't know why they don't set a price, just like there is a price to go UW or FoW. That 125g doesn't ruin anyone, does it? And UW/FoW is nothing compared to elite missions. A mandatory fee could keep complete noobs away.

Knightsaber Sith · Aug 21, 2006, 10:08 AM // 10:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by swiftygem

I honestly don't know why they don't set a price, just like there is a price to go UW or FoW. That 125g doesn't ruin anyone, does it? And UW/FoW is nothing compared to elite missions. A mandatory fee could keep complete noobs away.

If they did that, the whole Kurzick/Luxon alliance battle system would be pointless; and it's basically the center piece of the whole campaign.

Kaguya · Aug 21, 2006, 10:11 AM // 10:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sekkira

Not really. Owning a town requires the alliance to farm the crap out of things and pump faction into it. It's not a matter of voting in who should own the alliance. Just because they're mean doesn't mean shit. They have the right to do whatever the hell they want with access, whether to charge 100k +973984798574 ecto for ferries or do it for free. It's entirely up to them. You don't like it? Get an alliance together and get everyone to outfarm them in faction.

Quoted for truth.

Don't like how the current rulers perform, go and take the place to yourself, do the things how you want.

And as Winx.ZN pointed out, the alliance, and all other alliances holding outposts are using their own "gold" to hold those places, losing more gold per day due to decay than average player will ever see. (Thus, with the gold they "invested" have the right to do whatever they want :b)

Nexium · Aug 21, 2006, 10:16 AM // 10:16

Dont tip them problemm solved!!!!!!

and dont accept random ppl in to your guild who cares let all ferry you still own the town your name is taged on it aint that enough you get discount on crap aint that enough.

Mrscoombes · Aug 21, 2006, 10:16 AM // 10:16

Alliances controlling the major cities do not have to allow other people into the elite missions, it is just popular beleif that it is a duty of these alliances. If you pay attention to gaurds by the gate of the mission, they make it very clear indeed that 'So and so controls this town, so you better scram' or something close to that.

Lykan · Aug 21, 2006, 11:04 AM // 11:04

TC started off a great revolution when they first started Taxi'ing people to the elite mission, I remember how everyone was hoping the Black blades wouldnt be able to take to control away again, a couple of my friends even joined TC just to donate faction to help.
Unfortunately now people dont seem to remember the short period of time when no one was allowed in and the holding alliances kept it all for themselves, and everyone just takes it for granted they will be able to get in.

Basically Godz put in the effort to hold the town, they can do as they please with it. Maybe they Should stop people going just to shake things up a bit

If you dont like it join in the FF'ing and do something about it, but dont take the holders for saps.

As for restricting people who can taxi others, that seems fair as well.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winx.ZN

Friends Title :
250,000 donated faction.
250 Jade
250x500=125,000 gold

I woulda taken the money.

DarkWasp · Aug 21, 2006, 01:25 PM // 13:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by beleg curudin

I am from the Godz alliance, and officer infact. the deep being closed is a lie. The reason it is hard to find a taxi is because only people in the alliance with friend of the luxon title or higher is allowed to ferry. The reason for this is because people do tip, and it is a great waste of the faction farmers times to actually farm their butts off just to have some new recruit ferry his brains out for tips, which eventually makes people tip very little, this makes those people that have earned the tip's faction farming in vain.

So in summary, no the deep is not closed, we are just preserving the dedicated faction farmers right to get tips.

I would ferry for free.

Jetdoc · Aug 21, 2006, 02:26 PM // 14:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winx.ZN

Friends Title :
250,000 donated faction.
250 Jade
250x500=125,000 gold (those which are allowed to ferry have at least given away that much)

Current "cost" of cavalon.
30,767,233
10% Degen per day.

3,076,723.
3,076x500=1,538,000 gold per day.

That is the cost to hold cavalon per day for the Godz alliance.

I had never seen anyone put this to a monetary analysis. Very eye opening. Divide that by the number of members in the alliance and I bet that it's a tidy sum per day per member.

beleg curudin · Aug 21, 2006, 03:01 PM // 15:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winx.ZN

Friends Title :
250,000 donated faction.
250 Jade
250x500=125,000 gold (those which are allowed to ferry have at least given away that much)

Current "cost" of cavalon.
30,767,233
10% Degen per day.

3,076,723.
3,076x500=1,538,000 gold per day.

That is the cost to hold cavalon per day for the Godz alliance.
That they even ferry you there should be good enough for you.
The fact its called a "tip" and not a "fee" should make you grateful.
Only allowing members of the Godz alliance with a vested interest of time and indirect minimum monetary donation of 125,000 gold to ferry seems not only fair, but right.
Just thought I would throw that out there.
Leechers suck.

Could you imagine what the cost of jade would be if for 1 day the entire alliance turned all that into jade and gave it to the traders.

LemmonHead · Aug 21, 2006, 03:03 PM // 15:03

Not a problem for me, since I have toons in both elite missions, I ferry myself when I need to get too one of them or when a guildie needs to get to them.

I will say this, during the free/open elite mission weekend everyone should have taken their toons to both elite missions, so you would have them open, then anyone with a toon there would be able to ferry you.

Oh well I don't care who owns the cities, my only problem with it right now, is the lack of people in them because of this control.

Clone · Aug 21, 2006, 03:05 PM // 15:05

I know I've said this before, and I'll say it again here. I'm getting sick of all the inane little restrictions put on everything. I'm tired of having parts of the game I've paid for being locked by people I don't know and don't care about. I don't care who has farmed faction and I never will. I don't care if some dude in Seoul is doing well, but for some inexplicable reason, if he is, I can't go to the PvE areas I want. I'm tired of the Kurzicks merchants won't deal with you if you have Luxon faction. It gets annoying to have to map back to sell off all my crap items to a merchant. Isn't him offering me 35g for Victo's axe insult enough?

The people who are inconvenienced by these things will outnumber thoes that benifit from them. And from a marketing standpoint, thats a very unappealing part of your game.

Silver_Fang · Aug 21, 2006, 03:11 PM // 15:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clone

The people who are inconvenienced by these things will outnumber thoes that benifit from them. And from a marketing standpoint, thats a very unappealing part of your game.

No its not, it only unappealing to the lazy crowd, you either unite and control the town by FFing or wait until the Faction Farmer from the alliance want to ferry people.

If you want something, you need to work hard to get it, either join the alliance or take over the town.

Clone · Aug 21, 2006, 03:56 PM // 15:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silver_Fang

No its not, it only unappealing to the lazy crowd, you either unite and control the town by FFing or wait until the Faction Farmer from the alliance want to ferry people.

If you want something, you need to work hard to get it, either join the alliance or take over the town.

This is a GAME, not a job. I don't have any problems with having people work hard to get that their FoW armor or a crystalline skin, especially since there are collectors for perfectly good items with other skins. However, I do have a big problem with keeping players out of entire areas, as if we don't have the right to be there since we don't farm for hours a week. I've paid for the game, and that should be enough. If not, Guild Wars is definately taking a hostile stance toward casual players.

gabrial heart · Aug 21, 2006, 04:15 PM // 16:15

Well, he's my take on it, since we owned cav for quite some time early on.

If you don't enjoy doing all those things that earn faction for town ownership don't do it! This is a game and being such should NOT be a grind, if thats your mentality then you prolly shouldn't play. People don't work or go to school all day just to come home to grind away at faction farming, if they do they are, well, just dumb. If you don't enjoy "playing" a game and it becomes laborious, then it might be time you stopped!

Limiting openess of the elite missions doesn't bode well for any alliance and has completely destroyed most of the bigger alliances. Those that "keep" those mission for themselves for profit or leet-ness are in the minority. Best to leave it up to individual players as to their reasons to ferry or not.